From rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Thu Nov 04 14:30:17 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:30:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CPq7U-0000bn-Md for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:30:16 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:30:16 -0800 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Question around beginner's chapter 4 Message-ID: <20041104223016.GF25376@chain.digitalkingdom.org> References: <418A8FF0.7020904@bilkent.edu.tr> <20041104214043.22663.qmail@web41908.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041104214043.22663.qmail@web41908.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040722i From: Robin Lee Powell X-archive-position: 860 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 01:40:43PM -0800, Jorge Llamb?as wrote: > The other combinations are also not much used, but possible. {lo > ci le gerku} is three of the dogs, but not necessarily three > specific ones that I have in mind. > > {lo ci lo gerku} is just three dogs. Indistinguishable from {lo ci > gerku} if we don't require the inner quantifier to be all the dogs > that there are in the world. > > {le ci lo gerku} is the three dogs I have in mind. > Indistinguishable, from {le ci gerku} as far as I can tell. *CAREFUL*! xorlo isn't final yet, you know! To the original poster: the interpretation based above is provisional; we are still working out the details. The strict CLL interpretation is: lo ci le gerku == Any of the three things that really are things that may or may not be dogs and that you have in mind. Note that this says that there are *only* three such things in the universe (which in this case isn't *too* bad). lo ci lo gerku == Any of the three things that really are dogs; there are only three. As xorxes says, equivalent to lo ci gerku. {le ci lo gerku} is as xorxes says. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/