From rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Sat Nov 13 11:03:28 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 13 Nov 2004 11:03:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CT3BI-00044T-EK for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 11:03:28 -0800 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 11:03:28 -0800 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: What is lojban for validity/invalidity? Message-ID: <20041113190328.GE22035@chain.digitalkingdom.org> References: <87lld65dbz.fsf@pacbell.net> <20041113152243.94746.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041113152243.94746.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040722i From: Robin Lee Powell X-archive-position: 875 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Sat, Nov 13, 2004 at 07:22:43AM -0800, Jorge Llamb?as wrote: > > --- Starling wrote: > > I want to do no more than claim that a famous phrase in Latin is > > invalid, in lojban. :3 By invalid I mean it does not apply to > > the situation, and/or it cannot be accepted as true or > > axiomatic. > > > > Is there a gismu Q whose bridi goes x1 is-invalid because-of x2 > > or something along those lines? > > We often use {mapti}/{nalmapti} for that, which means something > like appropriate/inappropriate. There's also {jetnu}/{jitfa} for > true/false. Furthermore, you coud use "to'e nibli" to mean "x1 disentails / logically implies the opposite of x2 under system x3". You could also probably do something interesting with a lujvo from "logji drani" and to'e. A specific example would help, but in this case you may simply want "to'e drani" or "srera". -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/