From mattarn@123.net Thu Dec 02 06:35:52 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 02 Dec 2004 06:35:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from new.e-mol.com ([65.169.135.18] helo=mole.e-mol.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1CZs3j-0003p1-FC for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 06:35:52 -0800 Received: from mail.123.net (new.e-mol.com [65.163.85.18]) by mole.e-mol.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.1) with SMTP id iB2EZmIP000408 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:35:49 -0500 Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:35:48 -0500 Message-Id: <200412021435.iB2EZmIP000408@mole.e-mol.com> To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org From: Matt Arnold Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Where can I learn more about logic? In-Reply-To: <20041202040543.GI25791@chain.digitalkingdom.org> References: <20041201210457.48096.qmail@web41906.mail.yahoo.com> <200412020330.iB23UNIP018148@mole.e-mol.com> <20041202040543.GI25791@chain.digitalkingdom.org> X-Priority: 3 X-From: mattarn@mail.123.net X-Originating-IP: [209.220.229.254] Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 918 X-Approved-By: mattarn@123.net X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: mattarn@123.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Thanks, Robin. Yes, PC's page is the one to which I refer. If Bertrand Russell's quote “[Ix]( Gx & [Ay](Fy <=> y=x)).” is any indication, the practice of symbolic logic invented a new language already. Just not a speakable one. -la .epcat lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org wrote: >On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 10:30:23PM -0500, Matt Arnold wrote: >> I was just reading the Lojban wiki page about descriptions, and >> gave up. > >Which page, exactly? If it's >http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Descriptions that's >written by PC, who couldn't write something clear and understandable >if his life depended on it. > >> The more I learn about Lojban grammar, the more I realize I could >> benefit from learning formal logic. For instance, I don't know >> what masses and sets are, exactly. > >Masses are almost purely a Lojban concept; but see >http://philosophy.syr.edu/mckay.html for something nearly identical. >It's not beginner accessible, though (in fact, it blows my mind). > >> Is there an accessable and (preferably) free work to which you can >> point me? > >Ouch. I learned formal logic in school. You might want to start >with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic , but maybe others here can >help. > >-Robin > >-- >http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ >Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" >Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ > _______________________________________________________ Sent through e-mol. E-mail, Anywhere, Anytime. http://www.e-mol.com