From jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Sat Dec 18 13:19:28 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:19:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from web41907.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.158]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cflz6-0001vB-Rb for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:19:28 -0800 Received: (qmail 30631 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Dec 2004 21:18:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20041218211858.30629.qmail@web41907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.114.197.65] by web41907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:18:58 PST Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:18:58 -0800 (PST) From: Jorge "Llambķas" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: grasping lojban To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org In-Reply-To: <41C3C25F.9060203@houston.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 951 X-Approved-By: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners la aizek cusku di'e > By degree of a word, I mean concepts like, "very", "somewhat", "not", > "slightly", "completely/infinitely", "rather", etc.. These can be done with predicates (mutce, milxe, toltce), with the predicate modifiers of selma'o NAhE (na'e, to'e, no'e, ja'e) which can in turn be further modified with members of CAI: (cai, sai, ru'e, cu'i). > For example, Arovėn has logical operators for "and", "or", "xor", > inverted "xor", and such that operate on clauses. Lojban has a full set of binary operators. See: http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter14.html > Plurals are usually > marked for collective, which functions as a set, or partitive. There are > set operators for union, disjoint union, intersection, exclusion, > exclusive union, and so forth, which are inflected for whatever position > they take. Lojban has most of those too, but sets in Lojban are considered as true mathematical sets and so are hardly used. For example a set whose members are three people can't carry a piano. The three people acting together can, but that is called "mass" rather than "set" in Lojban tradition. > Operand elements are filtered and combined into the resulting > set, and all operators are inflected for depth when nested. How does all > this work in lojban? See the above link. Perhaps you could give a concrete example to see how it is done in Lojban. > Also, how do you make if-then constructions? Logical if-then is {ga nai ... gi ...}, which can also be read as "either not ... or ... (or both)" > Where can I find an explanation of motion-tenses? http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter10.html mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Jazz up your holiday email with celebrity designs. Learn more. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com