From Philip.Newton@gedas-onsite.de Mon Dec 20 09:25:30 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:26:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw5.gedas.de ([139.1.44.13]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CgRHl-00056S-Ie for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:25:30 -0800 Received: from mailgw5.gedas.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw5.gedas.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBKHOuRa022102 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:24:56 +0100 Received: from blnsem08.de.gedas-grp (blnsem08.gedas.de [139.1.84.54]) by mailgw5.gedas.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBKHOuc6022096 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:24:56 +0100 Received: by blnsem08.de.gedas-grp with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:24:56 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Newton, Philip" To: "'lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org'" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lo nanmu poi na va Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:24:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 955 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: Philip.Newton@gedas-onsite.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners la epcat cu cusku di'e > I keep having to get used to the change from CLL, where {lo} > means "the really is" and {le} means "the described as." If I > understand correctly from the wiki's BPFK Section: gadri, I > think {lo nanmu} now means "any of the things that are a man" > and {le nanmu} now means "a particular man I have in mind." I think those mean the same thing; the wording may merely be confusing. Using {lo} asserts that something really is an X; using {le} asserts that there is something specific which you will call an X but need not be an X. (For example, a drag queen might be a {le ninmu} but not a {lo ninmu}.) Either is non-specific with respect to number; {lo nanmu} is something like "one or more of the one or more things that are men" while {le nanmu} is "all of those (one or more) whom I am thinking of and whom I will describe as 'men'". mu'o mi'e .filip.