From adam@pubcrawler.org Wed Dec 22 10:24:07 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:24:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from hive.cec.wustl.edu ([128.252.21.14]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1ChB9b-0005Ck-DX for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:24:07 -0800 Received: from hive.cec.wustl.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hive.cec.wustl.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBMIO6Cr028071; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 12:24:06 -0600 Received: from localhost (adam@localhost) by hive.cec.wustl.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) with ESMTP id iBMIO6Er028068; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 12:24:06 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: hive.cec.wustl.edu: adam owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 12:24:06 -0600 (CST) From: "Adam D. Lopresto" To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: ko ba cu gleki ca'o le citsi In-Reply-To: <200412221735.iBMHZuIP022323@mole.e-mol.com> Message-ID: References: <200412201937.iBKJb4IP012739@mole.e-mol.com> <20041220195636.GC20429@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <200412202142.iBKLgpIP024092@mole.e-mol.com> <200412221735.iBMHZuIP022323@mole.e-mol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-archive-position: 963 X-Approved-By: adam@pubcrawler.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: adam@pubcrawler.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Wed, 22 Dec 2004, Matt Arnold wrote: > Is {ko ba cu gleki ca'o le citsi} correct for "Imperative-you future-tense > be happy/merry/glad/gleeful during the season/cyclic interval"? Mostly. I'm a little surprised you can put the {ba} in front of the {cu}, but jbofi'e likes it fine. I personally would have used {ko cu ba gleki li'o} or just {ko ba gleki li'o}. Actually, I'm not sure what happens when you mix the {ba} with the {ca'o}. That is, I'm not sure whether it's saying that you be happy after now, during the season, or be happy after the during-the-season. It should work fine without the {ba}, though. > Is this a correct use of an event interval? Is {le citsi} just acting as a > modifier of the {ca'o} tense, or is it serving for the x2 place? It's fine syntactically. The {le citsi} is binding to {ca'o}. There's a little ambiguity concerning whether {broda ca'o ko'a} means that {broda} is ongoing during a time including {ko'a} (which seems to be the more modern take on it, and working its way through BPFK) or whether the {ko'a} is ongoing during a time including {broda} (which seems to be what CLL somewhat illogically recommends). Of course, for {ca'o} the difference is small compared with, say, {pu'o}. This is probably more than you wanted to know, though. Short answer is yes, it works. > I don't want to tell people to be happy "about" the season, just during it. That does it. -- Adam Lopresto http://cec.wustl.edu/~adam/ lo pluka ko li'i slacitsi