From adamgarrigus@gmail.com Wed Dec 29 10:37:57 2004 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:37:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.204]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cjihp-0004E1-Mo for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:37:57 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 50so54413wri for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:37:26 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=aKE5CfcTNocVWdhxqMBJNUQyvgN6z4qkcrybAvp4Fm38SuNOvsvjPZfXMGilSKX7iewUVr0+YTEl8YsGElM3HnkNa6H8dhGha5roYTy26z2eTbCoiC+qvCedkucmhIdv+UDJVFU6fH/UQer5Vtd3ryj+H202TTwchrAPyWE1eQo= Received: by 10.54.10.55 with SMTP id 55mr279034wrj; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:37:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.35.24 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:37:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <12d58c160412291037a4b7c2c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:37:26 -0500 From: Adam COOPER To: Lojban beginners list Subject: [lojban-beginners] sumti places for {farvi} Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 970 X-Approved-By: adamgarrigus@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: adamgarrigus@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners coi rodo I'm working on a translation (which I'll upload for review once I've gotten about a third of the way through) & can't quite wrap my brain around {farvi}. The gismu list has: x1 develops/evolves towards/into x2 from x3 through stages x4 In the evolution or development of something there is a start-point (x3), intermediate stages (x4), & an endpoint (x2). So I'm not quite sure what role x1 plays here. An example {selbri} with all places filled would go far in explaining this to me. ki'e fe'o mi'e .adam.