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Robin Lee Powell wrote:

>On Sat, Jan 15, 2005 at 09:40:42AM +1300, Michael van der Gulik
>wrote:
>  
>
>>Robin Lee Powell wrote:
>>.ui sai do jinga lo ....
>>
>>  festi se samymri
>>
>>.i mi'a pacna lo nu do gleki lo se jinga gi'e nelci ri ca lo ba
>>nanca be li so'i
>>    
>>
>>I assume its x2 of "gleki" because "lo se jinga" (the prise)
>>doesn't make as much sence as x3 of pacna, and there isn't the
>>elidable terminator "ku" there.  
>>    
>>
>
>It's actually because "lo nu" starts a subsentence, which doesn't
>end until kei, vau, or .i
>  
>
Okay, so does the "lo nu" context extend right past the "gi'e" to the 
end of the sentence? Phew. That's something I didn't consider.

.i mi'a pacna (lo nu (do (gleki lo se jinga) gi'e (nelci ri ca lo ba
nanca be li so'i)))

So, the main bridi here is pacna.

Pacna ("hope"):
    x1 is "mi'a", "we"
    x2 is the rest of the sentence ("lo nu do gleki..."), an event.

gleki ("happy"):
    x1 is "do", "you"
    x2 "lo se jinga", "the prize"
 
nelci ("fond"):
    x1 is "do", because the "gi'e" is scoped back to only just before 
the "do".
    x2 is "ri"

I don't understand what the "ca" (presently) modifies. If "ri" is "lo se 
jinga", then I get the fragment:

do nelci lo se jinga ca lo ba nanca be li so'i
("you are fond of the prize for many years", roughly)

so it appears that "ca" belongs with "jinga". Is this correct?

What happens to "lo ba nanca be li so'i"? It appears to just be tacked 
on to the end of the sentence and not be part of any selbri.

btw, thanks for the help!

Mikevdg.