From philip.newton@gmail.com Mon Jan 17 02:55:23 2005
Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 17 Jan 2005 02:55:26 -0800 (PST)
Received: from rproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.170.193])
	by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34)
	id 1CqUXa-0000IL-Ld
	for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 02:55:23 -0800
Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a36so327391rnf
        for <lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org>; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 02:55:18 -0800 (PST)
DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws;
        s=beta; d=gmail.com;
        h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references;
        b=Lfu91tvki3+FaKWQ7dEfQT5TeLdm8Va0T22I/RaP/33ttk+2c6UXe3o/6o6Eb+L6di0K1Ye4hlqYVfqtenFDiPeu9CY8p35XJazmVis35WVmC3+rNycEfMCU1w+yA+xHI3Xf9ukBBcmKF9lLviGNxVdJ8PTRSr4jURfy/wID4ik=
Received: by 10.38.209.48 with SMTP id h48mr64898rng;
        Mon, 17 Jan 2005 02:55:18 -0800 (PST)
Received: by 10.38.208.61 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 02:55:18 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <537d06d00501170255431f614b@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:55:18 +0100
From: Philip Newton <philip.newton@gmail.com>
To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Everyone should speak lojban?
In-Reply-To: <41EAEF88.5090407@pacbell.net>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis
References: <41E86B09.7010004@pacbell.net>
	 <3E9364E6-66E3-11D9-B104-000D9329C984@online.fr>
	 <41EAEF88.5090407@pacbell.net>
X-archive-position: 1026
X-Approved-By: philip.newton@gmail.com
X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0
Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org
Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org
X-original-sender: philip.newton@gmail.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org
X-list: lojban-beginners

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:49:44 -0800, Tasci <pubsynx7hye@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Raphaël Poss wrote:
> 
>  > I'd rather say "doi rodo ko tavla fo la lojban"
> 
> ro do ko?  I had thought do and ko both were pro-sumti for 'you', the
> latter being imperitive?

Yes.

> cmavo always confuse me because of their priveleged status outside of
> any kind of restrictive grammar.  Are you saying that 'doi ro do' can be
> taken as a single sentence modifier thingy referring to 'all of you',

Kind of. "doi" is a vocative marker (roughly comparable to "Hey,
<name>!" or "O <name>!" or "<name>, I'm speaking to *you*"), and also
specifies what "do" and "ko" will thereafter refer to.

So "doi ro do" not only says "I'm talking to all of you" but makes
"do" and "ko" refer to "all of you" afterwards, not just, say, one
person.

> and your sentence reads something like "All of you, you must speak lojban."?

Something like that, yes.

mu'o mi'e .filip.
-- 
Philip Newton <philip.newton@gmail.com>