From jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Wed Jan 19 07:31:24 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:31:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from web41906.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.157]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CrHno-0006HL-Lf for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:31:24 -0800 Received: (qmail 66318 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jan 2005 15:30:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20050119153054.66316.qmail@web41906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.40.24.154] by web41906.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:30:53 PST Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:30:53 -0800 (PST) From: Jorge "Llambías" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Everyone should speak lojban? To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org In-Reply-To: <200501181642.j0IGgbIP028319@mole.e-mol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1037 X-Approved-By: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners --- Matt Arnold wrote: > The mis-information was on one point-- namely, whether cmavo is its own class > of word. Cmavo is not one kind of word, for the same reason that > miscellaneous is not a true category. I can understand Tasci's confusion. > Morphology alone is not what one expects when looking for a class of words > that share signifigant things in common. This is not a criticism of Lojban, > but merely needs to be emphasized to learners. Indeed. Lojban material is sometimes confusing with respect to this. For example, CLL says: "Lojban has three basic word classes --- parts of speech --- in contrast to the eight that are traditional in English. These three classes are called cmavo, brivla, and cmene." But that's not really true. These *morphological* word classes of Lojban cannot be compared with the eight word classes that are traditional in English. If "the" and "because" belong to different classes in English, by any analogous criterion "lo" and "ki'u" must belong to different classes in Lojban too. In fact, the eight classes of English correspond to some 120 classes in Lojban (although many of the Lojban classes are very similar and could eventually be merged, and many are never or so rarely used that they could be ignored). The difference is that the classes in Lojan are very well delimited, whereas in English there are subclasses of the main classes, because not all words in a given class can always be used interchangeably in a given syntactic context. mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail