From rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Sun Jan 30 17:29:35 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:29:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CvQNi-0001h8-Vi for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:29:35 -0800 Resent-From: rlpowell@chain.digitalkingdom.org Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:29:34 -0800 Resent-Message-ID: <20050131012934.GJ21766@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Resent-To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Received: from bay12-f23.bay12.hotmail.com ([64.4.35.23] helo=hotmail.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CvMcT-0006YY-Qk for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:28:33 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:28:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 217.234.122.225 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:27:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [217.234.122.225] X-Originating-Email: [rodmigor@hotmail.com] X-Sender: rodmigor@hotmail.com From: "Roman Gorbunov" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] tanru Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:27:23 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2005 21:28:01.0020 (UTC) FILETIME=[933113C0:01C50712] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Sender: Robin Lee Powell Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:29:34 -0800 X-archive-position: 1091 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@chain.digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Hello, few days ago I discovered the lojban. I am delighted with it. And want to study it. Can you pleas help me with the following part of grammer. la tam. melbi tavla la meris. -> Tom beautifully speak with Meris. (It seems to me that with this sentence I have no problem.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- la meris. melbi se tavla la tam. -> Meris listens beautifull speach of Tom. or Meris is beautiful listener of Tom. (Which translation is correct?) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- la tam. melbi la meris. -> Tom is beautiful to Meri. (Here I have also no problem.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- la tam. tavla melbi la meris. -> Tom is beautiful to Meri as speaker. (Is the translation correct?) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- la tam. se tavla melbi la meris. -> Toma is beatiful to Meri as listener. ("se" - corresponds to "tavla" or "tavla melbi"?) Thank you.