From mattarn@123.net Tue Jan 11 08:14:49 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:14:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from new.e-mol.com ([65.169.135.18] helo=mole.e-mol.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1CoOfQ-0006Xb-Ln for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:14:49 -0800 Received: from mail.123.net (new.e-mol.com [65.163.85.18]) by mole.e-mol.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.1) with SMTP id j0BGEGIP031891 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:14:16 -0500 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:14:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200501111614.j0BGEGIP031891@mole.e-mol.com> To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org From: Matt Arnold Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Alternative learning techniques In-Reply-To: <41E2F94C.2070506@happyvalley.eclipse.co.uk> References: <41E2F94C.2070506@happyvalley.eclipse.co.uk> X-Priority: 3 X-From: mattarn@mail.123.net X-Originating-IP: [209.220.229.254] Jon, Common wisdom is that the best way to learn a language is to spend time where it's spoken, so the idea of a virtual-reality Lojbanistan has long appealed to me. The place that Lojban is spoken is really the MIRC channel, but there is no environment to point to or manipulate there. I had the idea to someday use one of those 3D avatar chat services if it were possible to patch the software to put a Lojban tag floating over every object in the environment. X-archive-position: 993 X-Approved-By: mattarn@123.net X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: mattarn@123.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners But in the meantime, custom localizations for games are the way to go. Hacks for Sims 2 are quite common, so it seems entirely possible. I would love to step up to the plate as part of a group of "Someone Should Do It." I have been learning Lojban on SuperMemo for the Palm OS and highly recommend it. If I had one complaint, it would be that it is not optimized for language learning. Currently one has to have two separate sets of flashcards, one Lojban-to-English and another English-to-Lojban. So, if I'm falling behind in remembering a word in one of those directions but not the other, the program treats them as totally different and lets them drift apart in timing. Since you've expressed interest, I would be happy to volunteer to read the list of words and their glosses and put it up on the web. Or would you like an MP3 of a particular text? -Matt la epcat. lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org wrote: >coi rodo > >I happened across an article on using the Sims (computer game) to help >people learn a foreign language >(http://llt.msu.edu/vol9num1/purushotma/default.html) and was wondering >if there were any alternative lojban resources > >I've been using logflash for a while, but it's not terribly motivating... > >A couple of years ago, during a previous attempt at learning lojban I >toyed with the idea of creating lojban language files for alpha centauri >- a little ambitious, but would have been very useful considering the >inordinate amount of time i spent playing it. > >Are there any lojban localised games/applications out there? Creating a >localisation for firefox, for instance, should be fairly easy to do? > >Also what about multimedia? I found a brief audio file on the website, >but more of this would be really good to listen to during the daily commute > >I know there was a conversation a while ago about lojban software for >PDAs, but it didnt really go anywhere. Any developments in this area? >I have a little vocab program that i've done and was thinking about >maybe turning into a full logflash program for PDAs but don't want to >duplicate something that has already been done > >co'o >mu'e mi'e djon. _______________________________________________________ Sent through e-mol. E-mail, Anywhere, Anytime. http://www.e-mol.com