From mikevdg@gulik.co.nz Thu Feb 03 01:12:25 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 03 Feb 2005 01:30:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from genamics.blastula.net ([205.214.85.184]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.34) id 1Cwd2H-0002wv-H6 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 01:12:25 -0800 Received: from [203.184.10.207] (helo=gulik.co.nz) by genamics.blastula.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1Cwd2G-00045R-7R for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:12:25 +1300 Message-ID: <420048D8.8070408@gulik.co.nz> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:28:24 +1300 From: Michael van der Gulik User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040216 Debian/1.6.x.1-10 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] lo brivla valsi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - genamics.blastula.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lojban.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gulik.co.nz X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-archive-position: 1101 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: mikevdg@gulik.co.nz Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Hi all. I want to say "Brivla are words". Now, how would you say that? I could say: lo brivla cu valsi (some of those which really are brivla are words). or lei brivla cu valsi (the mass of those I describe as "brivla" are words). or I could say: lo brivla cu cmima lo'i valsi (one/some brivla are members of the set of words). or even: ro da zo'u da brivla .ijanai da valsi (if its a brivla, then its a word) Another way of saying it would be "The class 'brivla' are a subclass of class 'word'" (as in Object-Oriented terminology) but I don't know how to say that in lojban yet. Which is the best way of saying this? And are the above sentences correct? Mikevdg.