From betsemes@hotmail.com Mon Feb 07 12:09:27 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:09:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from bay23-dav12.bay23.hotmail.com ([64.4.22.192] helo=hotmail.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CyFCJ-00075X-EU for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:09:27 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:08:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.218.132.157 by BAY23-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 20:07:31 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.218.132.157] X-Originating-Email: [betsemes@hotmail.com] X-Sender: betsemes@hotmail.com From: "Betsemes" To: "Lojban Beginners List" Subject: [lojban-beginners] "x" sound Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:01:53 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2005 20:08:00.0524 (UTC) FILETIME=[B92D84C0:01C50D50] X-archive-position: 1114 X-Approved-By: betsemes@hotmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: betsemes@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners I've still doubts about how this letter sounds. The online reference grammar says "x [x] an unvoiced velar fricative". I can also find: [x] The preferred pronunciation of Lojban ``x''. Not normally an English sound, but used in some pronunciations of ``loch'' and ``Bach''; ``gh'' in Scots ``might'' and ``night''. The German ``Ach-Laut''. To pronounce [x], force air through your throat without vibrating your vocal chords; there should be lots of scrape. I'm still unsure on which sound it might be, but I've guessed it's the same "H" sound used in Klingon (as in /baH/ or /'oH/). Could someone who knows both languages (if any) clarify?