From philip.newton@gmail.com Mon Feb 07 12:37:57 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:37:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.170.196]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CyFdt-0007Tg-Ej for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:37:57 -0800 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so158781rnf for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:37:55 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=WG7Cko6bXsfyFhjYu9ABhaqaD8ddXDG1zXHkEXYXD/aOjRHyH1VxNhQHZ9DE0p9HAOReJT58mWh9gO+PZD/GqfZ/0sl+jN3UzfAdmmc+Gbw1RX2D3IdvTiYSRnes9vxYuBWoYEHXxGbhq66bangcQ9aOXHKM8F1kv6kI55gaLOY= Received: by 10.38.101.71 with SMTP id y71mr67973rnb; Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:37:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.208.61 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Feb 2005 12:37:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <537d06d0050207123739bdc096@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 21:37:55 +0100 From: Philip Newton To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: "x" sound In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII References: X-archive-position: 1115 X-Approved-By: philip.newton@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: philip.newton@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:01:53 -0400, Betsemes wrote: > I'm still unsure on which sound it might be, but I've guessed it's the same > "H" sound used in Klingon (as in /baH/ or /'oH/). Well, I don't know any native speaker of Klingon whose pronunciation one could use as a model, but the Klingon dictionary also mentioned German "Bach" as a model, and I've seen it marked as IPA [x] (voiceless velar fricative). In this case, Klingon |H| and Lojban |x| would sound the same. (As for me, my German /x/ is more of an [X] -- voiceless *uvular* fricative -- but YMMV. I think [X] would also be acceptable for Lojban /x/ since it cannot be confused with another sound.) mu'o mi'e .filip. -- Philip Newton