From wgraph@telus.net Sun Feb 13 00:42:05 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:53:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from outbound04.telus.net ([199.185.220.223] helo=priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D0FKP-0008UV-Nw for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:42:05 -0800 Received: from [205.206.201.86] by priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050213084129.ZJYU27135.priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net@[205.206.201.86]> for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:41:29 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:41:36 -0700 Subject: [lojban-beginners] newb needs urging forward From: WGraph To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-archive-position: 1138 X-Approved-By: jkominek@miranda.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: wgraph@telus.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Hi there, I have been reading once in a while on lojban for about the last three months. I took the first step and printed the two main lojban texts (about 500 pages total) and have skimmed through each. I haven't really done the exercises though. AS you probably are feeling right now, this is one of those boring first time posts that really rambles on too much. This is if you haven't geiven up already and... well I'm rambling. The point is the motivation behind learning lojban. Basically I have been changing in a fundamental way, long story short I had one of those life changing realizations, dropped out of third year engineering. The reason is really hard to explain (the crux of the problem), and boils down to what it is to be conscious, how we think, why am I alive, etc. I've been writing extensively and I am constantly finding difficutly in expressing my ideas, like there are no words in existence that can express them. I guess I want to use lojban, not for speaking but expressing very abstract ideas about consiousness and life. But how do I know I won't experience the same things, or even worse. As I understand it lojban is made up of functions and arguments (you can call them sumpti and whatever, but that is basically what they are). There could be no functions that fit, or no appropriate roots to create arguments. Well sorry for the long post, congrats for reading this much. Any input positive or negative welcome