From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Mar 08 10:17:33 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 08 Mar 2005 10:17:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1D8jGv-0003fd-Up for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 08 Mar 2005 10:17:33 -0800 Received: from web41902.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.153]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.44) id 1D8jGk-0003f5-Ql for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Tue, 08 Mar 2005 10:17:33 -0800 Received: (qmail 6749 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Mar 2005 18:16:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20050308181651.6747.qmail@web41902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.49.74.2] by web41902.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 08 Mar 2005 10:16:51 PST Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 10:16:51 -0800 (PST) From: Jorge "Llambías" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: personal pronouns To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: --- Matt Arnold wrote: > >> le terdi cu sipna ni'a leko'a blabi kicne > > I was trying to say "The earth sleeps beneath his/her/its white cushion." In > a previous e-mail I wrote: "doesn't [ko'a] have to be assigned a referent > with {goi}? Is that required?" and you replied: "Define 'required'. If > you're talking to a computer, yes, but most humans can deal with 'OK, the > person we're talking about is now ko'a, despite this never really having been > defined'." [...] Content analysis details: (-2.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] 0.1 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list X-archive-position: 1204 X-Approved-By: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners --- Matt Arnold wrote: > >> le terdi cu sipna ni'a leko'a blabi kicne > > I was trying to say "The earth sleeps beneath his/her/its white cushion." In > a previous e-mail I wrote: "doesn't [ko'a] have to be assigned a referent > with {goi}? Is that required?" and you replied: "Define 'required'. If > you're talking to a computer, yes, but most humans can deal with 'OK, the > person we're talking about is now ko'a, despite this never really having been > defined'." That probably needs more qualification. I don't really see {ko'a} used that way much, mainly because there are usually more precise alternatives available. > How did I do this wrong in the above sentence? Some alternatives would be: le terdi cu sipna ni'a le vo'a blabi kicne le terdi cu sipna ni'a le ri blabi kicne le terdi cu sipna ni'a le ty blabi kicne So it's unlikely that {ko'a} would be taken to be {le terdi}. > >> .i gacri le solri gi'e na ko'e rinka nu leko'a cikna > >Cover for the sun and massive syntax error. > > In short, how do I use pronouns in Lojban to translate: > "The earth sleeps beneath her white comforter. The sun is covered and will > not wake her." For example: le terdi cu sipna ni'a le vo'a blabi kicne i le solri cu se gacri gi'e na gasnu lo nu ty cikna mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/