From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Mar 23 05:49:46 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:11:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DE6F0-0005pc-8E for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 05:49:46 -0800 Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk ([195.41.46.235]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DE6Er-0005pV-Io for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 05:49:45 -0800 Received: from [195.249.43.60] (0xc3f92b3c.nfnxr2.ras.tele.dk [195.249.43.60]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1616F47FE25 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:49:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <42417418.9090006@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:50:16 +0100 From: Adam Ehlers Nyholm Thomsen User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: z and s? Re: Re: first question - Lojban c and j - what's the difference? References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.2.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-archive-position: 1307 X-Approved-By: jkominek@miranda.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: adament@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I don't know much about this either and can have quite a hard time too grasping the sounds when reading, so to direct to my earlier question wouldn't it be easier, if possible to release a kind of sound addendum to "Lojban for Beginners", like a big zip with ogg or spx files of each Lojban word mentioned in the book. I know this is a big work but if it could be done, I believe it would be much more easy for beginners like me to learn the sounds of Lojban. Cheers, Adam lojban@shindra.com wrote: > Thank you, that was a very good answer. Now the problem turns into > the fact that I could never tell the difference between z and s :( > this is where the vocal cords vs. friction should help me, but I > guess I'm just not good at this :( does anyone have an idea of how > I might be able to understand this? thanks - Shindra > > = = = Original message = = = > > The "j" sound, ZH, is voiced and the "c" sound, SH, is not. The > difference is the same as the difference between S and Z. Or > between F and V. Your vocal cords move with ZH, Z or V but with SH, > S or F the sound is just the friction of blown air. - epkat > > > lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org wrote: > >> In the "Lojban For Beginners" lessons, about consonants, it says >> that " c: sh, as in SHip j: as in meaSure or French bonJour " but >> I can't hear/see/think/percieve the difference help, please? >> >> - Shindra >> >> ___________________________________________________________ Sent >> by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free >> download at http://www.ePrompter.com. > > > _______________________________________________________ Sent > through e-mol. E-mail, Anywhere, Anytime. http://www.e-mol.com > > > ___________________________________________________________ Sent by > ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download > at http://www.ePrompter.com. > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCQXQYiJMkmWnve78RAo3IAJ9x4W5LdJyTlEe2vhfrcK/xLNAejQCfSnMC B6qvgbNHdo0WIwk5UaQs6L4= =TYdK -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----