From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Apr 10 07:20:36 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 10 Apr 2005 07:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DKdIh-00031d-74 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 07:20:35 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.195]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DKdIZ-000313-Fq for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 07:20:34 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so1185911wra for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 07:19:56 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=ejug6C7HvDT1EIBqexksvFEtNdDJtGdhTbEVbIWS+sfxpYjQteQcl+VsuaWteC28gkpgyq78DXYm9LKAufOGA+E/of7RJZnpYnIh9JA+zDtGc9xBMIt//HxYcLQ2BcWhSte3xi+Rt7HwLkvyG2ychXAD36XFg9WTEO3vaFLgMdc= Received: by 10.54.24.49 with SMTP id 49mr4271360wrx; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 07:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.69.3 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 07:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d1756050410071966848d2b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 11:19:56 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Grammar question In-Reply-To: <20050409232156.YBT1680.tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net@mxmta.bellnexxia.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: <20050409232156.YBT1680.tomts15-srv.bellnexxia.net@mxmta.bellnexxia.net> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 1367 X-Approved-By: jjllambias@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Apr 9, 2005 8:21 PM, jacqueslen@sympatico.ca wrote: > I've been told that {klama be la moreal.} parses as a selbri. now I see two possible ways to parse {se klama be la moreal.}: > {{se klama} be la moreal} and > {se {klama be la moreal} > I've been told the first one is the correct one, but why? There is no deep reason, it was just defined that way. In the same way {broda brode brodi} is {(broda brode) brodi) and not {broda (brode brodi)}. And {broda brode} is {brode} modified by {broda} and not {broda} modified by {brode}. In principle, things could have been defined the other way in each case, but they just happen to be defined as they are. You can get the other meaning with {se ke klama be la moreal [ke'e]} and you can also say {ke se klama ke'e be la moreal}, but here the brackets are not really needed because {se} has priority anyway. mu'o mi'e xorxes