From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Apr 11 08:25:21 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DL0mv-0004Vg-Jl for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:25:21 -0700 Received: from hive.cec.wustl.edu ([128.252.21.14]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.44) id 1DL0mq-0004Ur-6U for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:25:21 -0700 Received: from hive.cec.wustl.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hive.cec.wustl.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j3BFOimR026789; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:24:44 -0500 Received: from localhost (adam@localhost) by hive.cec.wustl.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) with ESMTP id j3BFOiJZ026786; Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:24:44 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: hive.cec.wustl.edu: adam owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:24:44 -0500 (CDT) From: "Adam D. Lopresto" To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: [lojban] Re: Denoting counterfactual sentences in Lojban? In-Reply-To: <200504111456.j3BEucTd032528@mole.e-mol.com> Message-ID: References: <20050408204144.GC26545@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20050408232158.GQ26545@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <200504111456.j3BEucTd032528@mole.e-mol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 1374 X-Approved-By: adam@pubcrawler.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: adam@pubcrawler.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners > When a root word has more than one abbreviated form, is there ever a > rationale to use one and not the other in a particular compound word? The > only reason I have ever thought of was to prevent unpronouncable consonant > combinations. - epkat Any of the rafsi will work, but sometimes there's a reason to use one instead of another. In particular, sometimes using one will generate consonant clusters that are rather crunchy. On the other hand, you need at least one consonant cluster in the first five letters (or two syllables, or something, depending on how camxes goes). So leici'e wouldn't be legal (or rather, wouldn't be a lujvo, it would be a cmavo cluster), but kleci'e would. It turns out that there are a lot of criteria for determining which form is "better" than which other ones. See chapter 4, section 12 of CLL (http://lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter4.html#s12) for the gruesome details. Or download jbofi'e, and use jvocuhadju, which does it for you. Or just use whatever form pleases you most; it's not that big a problem. Hmmm, seems jbovlaste doesn't do lujvo canonicalization. It really should, so if you look up {pavdjedi} or {pavdje} you get the record for {pavdei}. (Probably not worth the programming it would take, though.) -- Adam Lopresto http://cec.wustl.edu/~adam/ 'For myself,' said Faramir, 'I would see the White Tree in flower again in the courts of the kings, and the Silver Crown return, and Minas Tirith in peace: Minas Anor again as of old, full of light, high and fair, beautiful as a queen among other queens: not a mistress of many slaves, nay, not even a kind mistress of willing slaves. War must be, while we defend our lives against a destroyer who would devour all; but I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for it swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend: the city of the men of Numenor; and I would have her loved for her memory, her ancientry, her beauty, and her present wisdom. Not feared, save as men may fear the dignity of a man, old and wise.' --The Two Towers J.R.R. Tolkien