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[editor: some stuff deleted]

I don't have any experience of computer languages and just wanted to
check out I was getting the concepts right.  Myself and two friends
are really interested in lojban and are trying to learn it together
(with the aim of speaking it together).  All three of us are in the
medical field and have backgrounds in life sciences, and are
somewhat mathematically / logically challenged (it would seem!)

The arguments / relationships etc, I can't quite get the feel of how
that works.  I speak several European languages so am only able to
express things in grammar terms I am familiar with at present.  I
understand that one needs to understand something on its own terms,
but I would be grateful for any insights you might be able to give
me on how this might function, with examples in English of what
these relationships achieve.  Are the arguments subject / object,
the relationships verbs as we might understand things at present.

with gismu, in pairs tanru?  the first modifies the second? Does
that mean that the first has the function that adjective or adverb
has in English (or French / Italian / Spanish / Gaeilge)

Pronouncing Y, are there any mp3 files that we could listen to the,
other vowels etc and consonants are ok, we make those sounds on a
daily basis already.

Thanks for your help.  We have ordered copies of what is lojban from
Amazon so we can figure things out whilst on the tube!

Stiofan