From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Apr 26 13:57:09 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:57:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DQX7F-0008WF-5Z for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:57:09 -0700 Received: from genamics.blastula.net ([205.214.85.184]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.50) id 1DQX7A-0008Vx-4U for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:57:09 -0700 Received: from [203.184.10.214] (helo=gulik.co.nz) by genamics.blastula.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1DQX70-0005v3-Nu for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 08:56:56 +1200 Message-ID: <426EAB10.9060805@gulik.co.nz> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 08:56:48 +1200 From: Michael van der Gulik User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040216 Debian/1.6.x.1-10 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: [lojban] Re: {xu} - question. References: <20050426110430.84090.qmail@web32115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <925d175605042605236a63e04@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <925d175605042605236a63e04@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - genamics.blastula.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lojban.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gulik.co.nz X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 1388 X-Approved-By: mikevdg@gulik.co.nz X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: mikevdg@gulik.co.nz Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Jorge Llambías wrote: >On 4/26/05, Opi Lauma wrote: > > >>Is it right that {mi vecnu ti xu ta}, implies that {mi >>vecnu zo'e ta} is thru and I just want to know what is >>{zo'e}, or more precisely I even have a supposition >>about {zo'e}, I think that (it is/may be) {ti}? >> >> > >mi vecnu ti ta >I sell this one to that one. > >xu mi vecnu ti ta >Do I sell this one to that one? > >mi vecnu ti xu ta >Do I sell THIS ONE to that one? > >mi vecnu ti ta xu >Do I sell this one to THAT ONE? > >mi xu vecnu ti ta >Do *I* sell this one to that one? > >mi vecnu xu ti ta >Do I SELL this one to that one? > >{xu} always asks for a yes/no answer. The position of xu >serves to focus on one element which is the one that >needs confirmation. To ask what is it that I sell, you'd >need another question: > >mi vecnu ma ta >What do I sell to that one? > >mi vecnu ti noi mo ku'o ta >What is this which I sell to that one? > > mi cilre fi la lojban de'i cabdei .i za'a zo xu selma'o lei selma'o UI .i xu (ro da poi selma'o UI) lo valsi cu lidne da Probably very wrong lojban. What I meant to say is: I've learned something new today. I see that "xu" is part of selma'o UI. Are all members of selma'o UI used in postfix notation? (i.e. do they follow the word that they modify?) mi'e .maik