From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon May 09 07:26:37 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 09 May 2005 07:26:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DV9DR-0008Eq-Ha for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 07:26:37 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.196]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DV9DG-0008EH-SN for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 07:26:37 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so1182024wra for ; Mon, 09 May 2005 07:25:55 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KU94MIDf5SNrRr6dRNekO8UdiJy4lo3YX7fbmMnHq/5B0p4D61tbX1v1xmUYzScX/I2BpmOExyMGFUxMvYZE7WwlZbf6uz8tEChIqgIymLFNZZZAIlXEpI4OnCACwOZfEqPMli3kzYapCnVb1IAHoGzE6pa2FrFasTeRP6UekQg= Received: by 10.54.144.12 with SMTP id r12mr2649466wrd; Mon, 09 May 2005 07:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.67.20 with HTTP; Mon, 9 May 2005 07:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d175605050907254976fd63@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 11:25:55 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: I'm a Believer In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d175605050611562e77935d@mail.gmail.com> <001301c55287$b7534f00$0200a8c0@crh37> <925d1756050507071558a93753@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 1421 X-Approved-By: jjllambias@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 5/9/05, Betsemes wrote: > > > Perhaps something like {mi pu steba ro se senva be mi}. > > > > I have a confusion here. > According to jbovlaste, steba is defined as "x1 feels frustration about x2 > (abstraction)". How "ro se senva be mi" is an abstraction? Dreams (se senva) are abstractions too: "x1 dreams about/that x2 (fact/idea/event/state)". mu'o mi'e xorxes