From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon May 09 09:37:10 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 09 May 2005 09:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DVBFm-00025L-76 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 09:37:10 -0700 Received: from bay23-dav1.bay23.hotmail.com ([64.4.22.181] helo=hotmail.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DVBFl-00024k-6I for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Mon, 09 May 2005 09:37:10 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 May 2005 09:36:38 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.218.132.157 by BAY23-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 May 2005 16:36:38 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.218.132.157] X-Originating-Email: [betsemes@hotmail.com] X-Sender: betsemes@hotmail.com From: "Betsemes" To: References: <925d175605050611562e77935d@mail.gmail.com> <001301c55287$b7534f00$0200a8c0@crh37> <925d1756050507071558a93753@mail.gmail.com> <925d175605050907254976fd63@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: I'm a Believer Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 12:35:07 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2005 16:36:38.0535 (UTC) FILETIME=[45B6D170:01C554B5] X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-archive-position: 1424 X-Approved-By: betsemes@hotmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: betsemes@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners > > > Perhaps something like {mi pu steba ro se senva be mi}. > > > > > > > I have a confusion here. > > According to jbovlaste, steba is defined as "x1 feels frustration about x2 > > (abstraction)". How "ro se senva be mi" is an abstraction? > > Dreams (se senva) are abstractions too: "x1 dreams about/that > x2 (fact/idea/event/state)". > Could you give a definition/explanation of what is an abstraction?