From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jun 20 09:08:30 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:08:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1DkOp4-0003Ne-1Z for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:08:30 -0700 Received: from new.e-mol.com ([65.169.135.18] helo=mole.e-mol.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (Exim 4.50) id 1DkOp0-0003NW-9a for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:08:29 -0700 Received: from mail.123.net (nobody@new.e-mol.com [65.169.135.18]) by mole.e-mol.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-7.1) with SMTP id j5KG8OTd020876; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:08:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:08:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200506201608.j5KG8OTd020876@mole.e-mol.com> To: lojban@yahoogroups.com, lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org From: Matt Arnold Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban neography In-Reply-To: References: <1119217594.8641.7.camel@localhost> <200506201344.j5KDiLTd003997@mole.e-mol.com> <200506201448.j5KEmNTd012798@mole.e-mol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-From: mattarn@mail.123.net X-Originating-IP: [209.220.229.254] Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 1522 X-Approved-By: mattarn@123.net X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: mattarn@123.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners A friend has allowed us to use her Messyboard for this: http://www.messyboard.org/netmouse/ > The glyphs are way too complex: Only l, r, i, o and ' are reasonably > simple in that system. It can't be done. There are only so many paths for the pen to take without lifting. And it doesn't need to be; none of them, except perhaps x, are more complex than many English cursive letters such as lower-case f, j, g, and z. In the glyphs of the Latin/Roman typeset alphabet look at the g, capital B or capital H, each with three recognizable hand movements. People constantly put curlicues on capital cursive letters. Consider the @ character that we handwrite in e-mail addresses all the time. > And the zh symbol looks like an ass. So does cursive capital E. Everything looks like something until you're used to it. > E and A are too similar. I'd like to improve that. Perhaps the a should be bisected by a very straight line with hard corners at top and bottom like the Greek letter Phi. > The displayed sample lacks /y/. Since the > principles for vowel construction are not clear, > I have no suggestion how that might go. This is a top priority. Of course it will have to go under the line. > No, I mean, since you use a space as a required pause, not as a word > separator, how do you indicate *obligatory* stress? Excellent point. I like what Bruce says: >It would also be nice to allow for words to be denoted - perhaps a flat >line on the baseline. That way the pen does not have to be lifted, but the >letters would be grouped. That might also solve the stress denotation >problem. A flat horizontal place could be a stress word break. Or would it be better as the period? -Matt _______________________________________________________ Sent through e-mol. E-mail, Anywhere, Anytime. http://www.e-mol.com