From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jul 18 04:00:43 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 18 Jul 2005 04:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1DuTMZ-0000gK-4S for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 04:00:43 -0700 Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([17.250.248.85]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1DuTMT-0000g4-KU for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 04:00:42 -0700 Received: from mac.com (smtpin01-en2 [10.13.10.146]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout03/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id j6IB0agI026049 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 04:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (p5083eb9e.dip.t-dialin.net [80.131.235.158]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin01/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id j6IB0YQt028783 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 04:00:35 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <42D4E5C4.4010906@yandex.ru> References: <42D4E5C4.4010906@yandex.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis From: Jan Pilgenroeder Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: tcadu Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:00:32 +0200 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 1573 X-Approved-By: pille@mac.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: pille@mac.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Am 13.07.2005 um 11:58 schrieb diLItyr: > city > x1 is a town/city of metropolitan area x2, in political unit x3, > serving hinterland/region x4[also (adjective:) x1 is urban]; (cf. > jarbu, nurma, cecmu, jarbu) > > hmm, too much... > What does x4 mean? > > x2 is not a country, so {la moskov. cu tcadu le rukygu'e} doesn't > work. You are right. You would use X3 for the nation (or state or district or county or whatever political/administrative unit). So you would say {la moskov. cu tcadu fi le rukygu'e}. Some cities are part of a larger cluster of cities. E.g. San Francisco is not really that big (only around 300k people) but it is part of the SF Bay area (with Oakland, Berkley and some other cities). The Ruhrgebiet in Germany is a pretty good example, too. There's a load of cities (some up to half a million inhabitants) that are so close together it almost seems like a single big city (if it was declared a single city it would be up there with Los Angeles - which is rather like a seltcadu itself). So you might say {la'o d. Hagen d. cu tcadu la'o .dy. Ruhrgebiet .dy.}. Or: {la'o .dy. Ruhrgebiet .dy. cu se tcadu}. I am living 70-80 km south of the Ruhrgebiet. When we want to go shopping for stuff we don't get in the small town I live in, then we usually drive to some city in the southern Ruhrgebiet (usually Dortmund). So I might say: mi xabju le ve tcadu be fo la'o .dy. Dortmund .dy. People living in the southernmost tip of the Netherlands would probably say: mi na xabju le te tcadu be fi la axen. .iku'i mi xabju le ve tcadu be fo la axen. > Moscow in surrounded by its region, but is not a part of it. > > So... > > x1 - {la moskov.} > x2 - the towns bordering it? > x3 - {le rukygu'e} > x4 - Moscow region or ? > > > -- > mu'o > > > Bye, Jan. --- Jan Pilgenroeder Plaßmannshof 21 57439 Attendorn pille@mac.com