From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jul 19 20:59:49 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:59:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Dv5kL-0005Ay-EZ for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:59:49 -0700 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Dv5kK-0005An-VU for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:59:49 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:59:48 -0700 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: A few questions... Message-ID: <20050720035948.GN2444@chain.digitalkingdom.org> References: <42DDC358.5010302@hypermetrics.com> <20050720033530.GT22508@miranda.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050720033530.GT22508@miranda.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: Robin Lee Powell X-archive-position: 1603 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 09:35:30PM -0600, jkominek@miranda.org wrote: > On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 10:22:00PM -0500, Hal Fulton wrote: > > Just a few random questions. > > > > 1. Apparently people say {mi'e xal.} and not {mi'e la xal.} -- > > is that just because "la" is understood and can be dropped? Do > > we ever omit it otherwise? > > It is because you'd be saying "I am that which is named Hal", > rather than "I'm Hal" Actually, no. mi'e is in COI, hence {mi'e .xal.} and {mi'e la .xal.} are functionally identical. You (Jay) are thinking of {mi se cmene la .xal.} versus {mi se cmene zo .xal.}. The former is "My name is named Hal", the latter is "My name is 'Hal'". > > 3. Has anyone ever thought about coming up with a system for > > diagramming Lojban utterances? Or would anyone be interested? > > jbofi'e can provide diagram-like output. Presumably you'd just > want to do it according to the machine grammar. Someone made a nice tweak to the web-based jbofihe thingy that outputted pretty colours for the sections, too, but I keep forgetting to do something with it. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/