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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Parts of speech, parts of sentence
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 10:04:19 -0500
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I've always looked at a gismu as just a word. Just like 'scratch' can  
be used as a verb or a noun, a gismu can be a selbri or a sumti.  
That, and I've always seen a cmene as just a name, rather than a part  
of speech or a sentence. It too is just a name. Then again, I'm no  
expert lojbanist, so maybe my view is wrong too.

Just don't forget, "cmavo" is a gismu. =P

-la ZAkyris.

On Jul 24, 2005, at 3:19 AM, Hal Fulton wrote:

> When I was a kid studying English grammar, I was a little confused
> at first about the parts of speech and the parts of a sentence.
>
> "Noun" is an example of the former and "predicate nominative" is an
> example of the latter. To add to the confusion, a "verb" is both.
>
> To further add to the confusion, some words can be used in more
> than one way.
>
>   Did you scratch your arm?  (scratch, verb used as a verb)
>   I see a scratch there.     (scratch, noun used as direct object)
>
> Although I caught on, I think a lot of people didn't. And I don't
> think the teachers even realized this was a potential problem.
>
> If we say "All predicate nominatives are nouns, but not all nouns
> are predicate nominatives" -- well, in a way, we've said the truth,
> and in a way, we've spoken nonsense. It disregards the fact that
> these are different categories. It sounds like the statement we make
> in geometry about squares and rectangles, but it isn't analogous.
>
> This is all to say: I think this is one thing tripping me up in
> Lojban. It's not possible to draw a simple Venn diagram or anything
> if you're mixing parts of the sentence with parts of speech. (Not
> that it's necessarily possible anyway.)
>
> I perceive a "gismu" to be a part of speech, and a "sumti" to be a
> part of the sentence. I also see a "cmene" as a part of speech.
> Is that reasonable?
>
> Some of these may necessarily be the same -- a cmavo is a cmavo, I
> suppose. I would guess it might be in either/both categories.
>
> So, can we come up with definitive lists of these? I think it would
> help me (and possibly others).
>
>
> Hal
>
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