From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Jul 24 13:26:52 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 24 Jul 2005 13:26:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Dwn3k-00083m-Mi for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 13:26:52 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.201]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Dwn3i-00083d-HB for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 13:26:52 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 57so858145wri for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 13:26:49 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tZkf+JNFSxJKOobrs+o/ICYUDgInq6HKeLdSaEDKDuUD/BVtwkWxOSql+xzSAG/KNsjihk2dCVnMZQhUVLPi3fFK18/royW09zV5xQQDXbZLuiqlEAFLuygP7cvo6lWXSi8QRDbFKA6EBre5Yczi6W1gZ6JUtHo4U0lBUqdm5Qg= Received: by 10.54.68.16 with SMTP id q16mr2001313wra; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 13:26:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.68.12 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 13:26:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d175605072413266ed14be1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:26:49 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Parts of speech, parts of sentence In-Reply-To: <022E4422-FF1F-4F3C-BA20-186D68474787@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <42E34F17.4010907@hypermetrics.com> <022E4422-FF1F-4F3C-BA20-186D68474787@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 1644 X-Approved-By: jjllambias@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 7/24/05, Zachary wrote: > I've always looked at a gismu as just a word. Just like 'scratch' can > be used as a verb or a noun, a gismu can be a selbri or a sumti. A gismu by itself can only be a selbri. A gismu (or any other selbri) preceded by a gadri (article) makes up a sumti. {gerku} is a gismu. In the sentence {ta gerku}, the gismu {gerku} is the selbri. In {ta blabi gerku}, the two gismu {blabi} and {gerku} conform the selbri. In the sentence {le gerku cu cmoni}, the gismu {gerku} is part of the sumti {le gerku}, and the gismu {cmoni} is the selbri. > That, and I've always seen a cmene as just a name, rather than a part > of speech or a sentence. {la djan} is a sumti composed of the article {la} and the cmene (or more precisely, cmevla) {djan}. cmevla, like {djan}, can be used to form a sumti, as in {la djan}, or to form a vocative as in {coi djan}, or they can be quoted as any other word, as in {zo djan}. mu'o mi'e xorxes