From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Jul 30 14:42:27 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Dyz6A-0008RI-Sj for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:42:26 -0700 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.170.201]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Dyz66-0008RA-6W for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:42:26 -0700 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j1so1179285rnf for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:42:21 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:subject:date:to:x-mailer:from; b=TvwRCidKMgafpOQN0yZyaoxUruEQ0akF0rpbZmR+/B/5RZdokGU5d5HwNMx3FXNbJSgg2rxn+wVcaQzmwWSe0dG5FLKpk2JjTPuoR0DH/awLN7m4PFcbaO7UZTD/RfFYl7vEkmgxt1rCc3Oy7gWQgLTryR/F2yuXsI1UGA4i2dY= Received: by 10.38.101.4 with SMTP id y4mr482207rnb; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:42:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ([67.143.21.246]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a29sm6096817rng.2005.07.30.14.42.14; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:42:21 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <42EBF0D9.1010801@hypermetrics.com> References: <42EBF0D9.1010801@hypermetrics.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-571113375 Message-Id: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Diagramming Lojban Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:41:57 -0500 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org From: Zachary X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 1656 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: vyseofarcadia17@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners --Apple-Mail-1-571113375 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jul 30, 2005, at 4:27 PM, Hal Fulton wrote: >> Hal, >> I'm all in favor of it. For each convention that is invented >> for diagramming, >> > > the question to be asked is how does it instruct the viewer and > clarify the > > structure? > > > >> There are hundreds of selma'o, which is too many to come up with a >> unique diagramming >> > > method for each one. I would recommend that we come up with > diagramming methods > > for these more general categories of cmavo instead: > >> - Abstracts - Attitudinals - Connectives - Descriptors - Discursives >> > > - Keyboard (alphanumeric, {ro}, verbal punctuation, shifts, etc.) > > - Math expressions - Modals - Prosumti/bridi - Qualifiers (NAI, > LAhE, NA, NAhE, LUhU) > > - Relativizers (clause/phrase) - Sentence Structure (TUhE, FA, > TUhU, NUhI, > > FAhO, CEhE, FUhE, ZEI, ad infinitum) > > - Tenses - Vocatives > >> Perhaps even some of these can share a diagramming method, such >> as vocatives and attitudinals. >> -epkat >> > > > Matt, > > > You are far more knowledgeable than I am, as I don't even > understand any more than > half that list. > > To work on this project might be a learning experience for me. > > I would suggest we start with the simplest, most common forms. > > Are you interested in pursuing this together? Should we talk off-list > so as not to subject others to it? > > > Cheers, > Hal Hey now! I may not say anything, and I can't even understand half of what's said on this list, but I find the idea of diagraming lojban to be great and I'd like to read about it on the list even if I can only understand a little. Heck, maybe I can help a little. Heavens know I really need the experience and learning. -ZAkyris --Apple-Mail-1-571113375 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Jul 30, 2005, at = 4:27 PM, Hal Fulton wrote:

Hal,
=A0=A0 = I'm all in favor of it. For each convention that is invented for = diagramming,=A0
=
> the question to be asked is = how does it instruct the viewer and clarify the
> structure?
>
=
There are = hundreds of selma'o, which is too many to come up with a unique = diagramming=A0
=
> method for each one. I = would recommend that we come up with diagramming methods
> for these more general categories of cmavo = instead:

- = Abstracts - Attitudinals - Connectives - Descriptors - Discursives=A0

> - Keyboard (alphanumeric, {ro}, verbal = punctuation, shifts, etc.)
> - Math = expressions - Modals - Prosumti/bridi - Qualifiers (NAI, LAhE, NA, NAhE, = LUhU)
> - Relativizers = (clause/phrase) - Sentence Structure (TUhE, FA, TUhU, NUhI,
> FAhO, CEhE, FUhE, ZEI, ad infinitum)
> - Tenses - Vocatives

=A0=A0 Perhaps even some of these = can share a diagramming method, such as vocatives and = attitudinals.
-epkat
=




You are = far more knowledgeable than I am, as I don't even understand any more = than
half that list.

To work = on this project might be a learning experience for me.

I would = suggest we start with the simplest, most common forms.

Are you = interested in pursuing this together? Should we talk off-list
so as not to subject others to it?


Hey now! I may not say anything, and I can't even = understand half of what's said on this list, but I find the idea of = diagraming lojban to be great and I'd like to read about it on the list = even if I can only understand a little. Heck, maybe I can help a little. = Heavens know I really need the experience and = learning.

-ZAkyris
= --Apple-Mail-1-571113375--