From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Jul 31 07:49:32 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1DzF88-0001VL-1r for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 07:49:32 -0700 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.170.197]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1DzF81-0001VE-RX for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 07:49:31 -0700 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so1272438rng for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 07:49:18 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:to:x-mailer:from; b=C+ovYbGGj+NxkaO/oowJwGqoMMuNdvBHcBU0VNGAcsZFSgSl8lLlmAM48e9P8b9efd7e6hyV/ucHiov2InlOP8ZeLQvGn4dPoVnmPvfR21RG3q9GeYzNn1CjBxxd97KTvvAEf4nJxzJDbOSeGzbm6oyF9EyBnHn4JRKuFBJCP3s= Received: by 10.38.9.24 with SMTP id 24mr667247rni; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 07:49:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ([67.143.21.246]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id b66sm3525786rne.2005.07.31.07.49.14; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 07:49:18 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <42EC63A1.1030702@hypermetrics.com> References: <42EBF0D9.1010801@hypermetrics.com> <42EC63A1.1030702@hypermetrics.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <05FA0805-8EC1-4190-9C9E-7AD2D59A8705@gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Diagramming Lojban Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:49:00 -0500 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org From: Zachary X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 1658 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: vyseofarcadia17@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Jul 31, 2005, at 12:37 AM, Hal Fulton wrote: > Zachary wrote: > >> On Jul 30, 2005, at 4:27 PM, Hal Fulton wrote: >> >>> >>> I would suggest we start with the simplest, most common forms. >>> >>> Are you interested in pursuing this together? Should we talk off- >>> list >>> so as not to subject others to it? >>> >>> >> Hey now! I may not say anything, and I can't even understand half >> of what's said on this list, but I find the idea of diagraming >> lojban to be great and I'd like to read about it on the list even >> if I can only understand a little. Heck, maybe I can help a >> little. Heavens know I really need the experience and learning. >> > > I'm not opposed to discussing it here, I just didn't want anyone to be > bored or annoyed by it. > > For what it's worth, here is a good link on diagramming English: > http://webster.commnet.edu/grammar/diagrams/diagrams.htm > > The style shown there is, as far as I can see, identical to what I > was taught as a child. > > This is the general "type" of diagram I had in mind, as you can see > from my earlier post. > > As for opening new sumti with {va} or something, I suppose I would > favor the use of a double bar to indicate the end of the "standard" > sumti. > > > | > batci | le gerku | le nanmu | (zo'e) | (zo'e) || va (zo'e) > --------+--------------------------------------------------- > | > cu > > > Does this seem reasonable? Where would we go next? > > > Hal It seems perfectly reasonable, except I don't know what this {va} is. Could someone explain that to me?