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On 8/12/05, Sunnan <sunnan@handgranat.org> wrote:
> Is {.i ko smaji .ijonai mi cecla fa'a do} grammatical and does it mean
> (roughly) "shut up or I'll shoot you"?
> If not, what are your suggested improvements?

{ijonai} contains both a threat and a promise:

If you don't shut up, then I'll shoot you (the threat).
If you do shut up, then I won't shoot you (the promise).

Given the rest of the lyrics, I think the person making the threat
is not making any promises along with it. With {ija} there is only 
the threat, you keep your options open in case they do shut up.

> ps. bonus question, totally unrelated:
> 
> I'm having a hard time grokking NU1 cmavo. Say I want to express "kiss"
> as a noun, like in "I miss his kisses". Is it {zu'ocinba}, {pu'ucinba}
> or neither? {mi claxu cinmo la da zu'ocinba} make any sense?

I'd say {nu cinba}.

{nu} covers all {zu'o}, {pu'u}, {za'i} and {mu'e}, so you don't really need
to choose between them. Ordinarily, I'd say a kiss is {lo mu'e cinba}.
I'd say that {lo zu'o cinba} is more like "his kissing" than "his kisses",
focusing more in the action itself. {pu'u cinba} only if the kiss goes
through different stages, which is also a possibility in some cases 
I suppose.

As for missing, I'd say either make a lujvo {mi caucni lo nu cinba} or else 
it will be {mi cinmo lo nu claxu lo nu cinba}. Because {mi cinmo lo nu cinba}
says you are feeling the kiss. 

mu'o mi'e xorxes