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Jorge Llambías wrote:

>On 8/12/05, Sunnan <sunnan@handgranat.org> wrote:
>  
>
>>Is {.i ko smaji .ijonai mi cecla fa'a do} grammatical and does it mean
>>(roughly) "shut up or I'll shoot you"?
>>If not, what are your suggested improvements?
>>    
>>
>
>{ijonai} contains both a threat and a promise:
>
>If you don't shut up, then I'll shoot you (the threat).
>If you do shut up, then I won't shoot you (the promise).
>
>Given the rest of the lyrics, I think the person making the threat
>is not making any promises along with it. With {ija} there is only 
>the threat, you keep your options open in case they do shut up.
>  
>
Much better, thanks! I've changed it to {ija} on the page, but let me 
rephrase the question: is a boolean a good way to express a threat? Is 
{ko smaji .ija mi cecla fa'a do} a reasonable sentence?

>I'd say {nu cinba}.
>
>{nu} covers all {zu'o}, {pu'u}, {za'i} and {mu'e}, so you don't really need
>to choose between them. Ordinarily, I'd say a kiss is {lo mu'e cinba}.
>I'd say that {lo zu'o cinba} is more like "his kissing" than "his kisses",
>focusing more in the action itself. {pu'u cinba} only if the kiss goes
>through different stages, which is also a possibility in some cases 
>I suppose.
>  
>
Thanks, I'll go with plain {nu}, I think.

>As for missing, I'd say either make a lujvo {mi caucni lo nu cinba} or else 
>it will be {mi cinmo lo nu claxu lo nu cinba}. Because {mi cinmo lo nu cinba}
>says you are feeling the kiss. 
>  
>
Thanks. I guess I'd forgotten about the difference between lujvo and 
just stacking gismu while I took a break from lojban. (This is my third 
dive in, and I go deeper every time.)

mi'e snan