From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Aug 14 07:11:32 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 14 Aug 2005 07:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1E4JD2-0007uv-3w for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 07:11:32 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.204]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E4JCz-0007uo-NZ for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 07:11:31 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i30so899086wra for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 07:11:28 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XlYv16+4V68Apd5lJt3lBKsOKyIY60T0+zeziOcLu7BcGsmaxWAPwC6cHREuspsvlT6Ft79QkXBF8JxYiuJ8YfzTKDXpY/aHzORCmyZpopg4gcus+U8tqmNfaOtDl5RnYl36wv2Mf40A6YhS7f2R8E0lvbaBxeLCq4DFIBChmuc= Received: by 10.54.16.26 with SMTP id 26mr3097300wrp; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 07:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.68.12 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 07:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d175605081407116f367430@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:11:28 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: How does money work, exactly? In-Reply-To: <5ccdc75305081405525b7fe5c4@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <5ccdc75305081405525b7fe5c4@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 1722 X-Approved-By: jjllambias@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 8/14/05, la cuncuxnas. wrote: > Just a few minutes ago, I tried telling a friend of mine that I had ten > dollars. I tried {mi ponse pano lo rupnu} and {mi ponse le rupnu be li > pano}, but when it comes down to it, I'm just not sure how {rupnu} works. > It seems like a finicky gismu, and I've never gotten the hang of using it > properly. Any help with this? I'd say {mi ponse lo rupnu be li pano}. {le rupnu be li pano} says that you have a particular ten dollars in mind, as in "I have the ten dollars", the ones you had to collect from someone, or whatever. But if it's not any particular ten dollars that you're thinking of, then {lo} is better. {lo rupnu be li pano} could also be anything worth ten dollars, not necessarily an amount of money (i.e. not necessarily a ten dollar note, or the amount you have in your bank account), but in the absence of any other context the most likely interpretation I would say is that you are talking about money. If you want to be more precise you could say {lo jdini poi rupnu be li pano}, "money which amounts to ten dollars". And of course, {rupnu} need not be "dollars". It could be euros, or yens, or rubles, or pesos, or whatever, but again the most likely would be the local currency so it would be correct to just say {rupnu} if no other currency is likely in the context. mu'o mi'e xorxes