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On 8/19/05, Chris Capel <pdf23ds@gmail.com> wrote:
> And I tend to wonder why
> the "by standard" place is necessary in so many words, when a single
> cmavo could replace all of them and more. (Is there even a cmavo for
> "by standard"?)

{ma'i}

> Oh, and the "observer" place alternates often between
> the first, second, and third places, sometimes without any apparent
> reason.

Yes. I find "by standard" and "under condition" places the 
worst, and "observer" places about there.

If we make a table of the "sense" words for example:

xxxxx   ganse   zgana
jvinu   viska   catlu
sance   tirna   xxxxx
panci   sumne   xxxxx
vrusi   xxxxx   xxxxx
tengu   xxxxx   pencu? 

The x1 and x2 places are fairly consistent, but the x3
can be "under conditions", "by standard", "to observer",
or nothing, without any apparent pattern.

My expectation is that these places will simply drop
out of use, so that with time we will have a more 
consistent set.

mu'o mi'e xorxes