From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Aug 22 08:43:12 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1E7ES7-000743-VM for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:43:12 -0700 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.196]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E7ES4-00073v-6n for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:43:11 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 13so689655nzp for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:43:07 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lYIVWq3CO5dif229/sOlC45pTPn7zSwfEopdYiEm+Oi0lxiougbT8256wgWhKVJLlU6pFcIz6dFXuUadArhUkXH7vGKROD6tyrQezfZovFkoMFGBzkj6XDml0G93SU6O/KY4DxcCFdn6PSZ866FEydyutL9gcrNkD2/g+HBYXtQ= Received: by 10.37.12.7 with SMTP id p7mr1127702nzi; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.67.6 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <737b61f305082208432b723a45@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:43:06 -0500 From: Chris Capel To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: ...to say 'coi' In-Reply-To: <2d3df92a05082208073c6f585a@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <2d3df92a05082208073c6f585a@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 1814 X-Approved-By: pdf23ds@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: pdf23ds@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 8/22/05, HeliodoR wrote: > Is this sentence right and legal, please: > > lenu cusku lu coi li'u kei te rinsa > > Where the critical part is {cusku lu coi li'u} - does the quoted text become > x2 of "express"? Or it defaults to x1? > > mi'e .xili,odor. I believe you have it right. The first sumti that comes after the selbri, if there are no brivla sumti before the selbri (though there can be sumtcita), will default to the second place of the brivla. (I think all those terms are right.) Something I wonder, though, is what happens in cases like this: {fe la alis. cukta fa ti la lu,es. carol.}. Does the third sumti fit into the third place of cukta, since the second place is already filled earlier in the sentence? (Of course, to really do this you'd just do {se cukta}, but I'm sure there are examples where this could be useful. Or speakers that hate using conversion cmavo.) Chris Capel -- "What is it like to be a bat? What is it like to bat a bee? What is it like to be a bee being batted? What is it like to be a batted bee?" -- The Mind's I (Hofstadter, Dennet)