From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Aug 22 09:34:27 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1E7FFj-00085U-84 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:34:27 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.205]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E7FEr-00084b-St for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:34:27 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 55so1043736wri for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:33:27 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=gKamBeqs54D/A4mwI0DVbCfE23mZSEz8G4qoDfwDFad96aYNAyWiYGLJKnckur9eDqWV3rANlv2Uq/M7MDGpgagh8rdqIR6WuhkVvy/2rOBd9Ag5I5T0Ly+sOlllp9TcMCD9Fc3ABFieVtmujJWj8jW5NfXCYTkEhs8HIhiemhI= Received: by 10.54.156.1 with SMTP id d1mr1572448wre; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:33:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.125.8 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:33:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5ccdc75305082209337950cb49@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 12:33:27 -0400 From: "la cuncuxnas." To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: ...to say 'coi' In-Reply-To: <2d3df92a05082209005d20946c@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7500_6330504.1124728407148" References: <2d3df92a05082208073c6f585a@mail.gmail.com> <737b61f305082208432b723a45@mail.gmail.com> <2d3df92a05082209005d20946c@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 1823 X-Approved-By: thatskotkid@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: thatskotkid@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_7500_6330504.1124728407148 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I don't really know whether it overwrites or not. I like to think of it as = a=20 sneaky way of saying two things are happening at once, but only because tha= t=20 makes dialogue sound a lot better when you're writing in Lojban. {lu coi=20 rodo li'u se cusku la cuncuxnas. fa lu .i mi djica lenu do sidju mi li'u}= =20 just sounds better to me than having two separate sentences with two=20 separate instances of {cusku}. Come to think of it, how is dialogue usually= =20 done in Lojban writing? mu'omi'e cuncuxnas. On 8/22/05, HeliodoR wrote: >=20 > Something I wonder, though, is what happens in cases like this: {fe la > > alis. cukta fa ti la lu,es. carol.}. Does the third sumti fit into the= =20 > > third place of cukta, since the second place is already filled earlier > > in the sentence? (Of course, to really do this you'd just do {se > > cukta}, but I'm sure there are examples where this could be useful. Or > > speakers that hate using conversion cmavo.)=20 >=20 > "{carol.}" is {kerol.}, actually. :) > My humble opinion is, though it might sound silly, that it overwrites (?)= =20 > the previous argument. > Thus You could correct Your sentence by the second value getting to that= =20 > sumti place. > Like "Tom... oh, no: actually Martin won the race!", for example, in whic= h=20 > case You would hop back to x1 by putting a {fa}. > It'd be logical, not? > mi'e .xili,odor. > ------=_Part_7500_6330504.1124728407148 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I don't really know whether it overwrites or not.  I like to think of it as a sneaky way of saying two things are happening at once, but only because that makes dialogue sound a lot better when you're writing in Lojban.  {lu coi rodo li'u se cusku la cuncuxnas. fa lu .i mi djica lenu do sidju mi li'u} just sounds better to me than having two separate sentences with two separate instances of {cusku}.  Come to think of it, how is dialogue = usually done in Lojban writing?

mu'omi'e cuncuxnas.

On 8/22/05, HeliodoR <exitconsole@gmail.com> wrote:
Something I wonde= r, though, is what happens in cases like this: {fe la
alis. cukta fa ti = la lu,es. carol.}. Does the third sumti fit into the
third place of cukta, since the second place is already filled earlier<= br>in the sentence? (Of course, to really do this you'd just do {se
cukt= a}, but I'm sure there are examples where this could be useful. Or
speakers that hate using conversion cmavo.)
 
"{carol.}" is {kerol.}, actually. :)
My humble opinion is, though it might sound silly, that it overwrites = (?) the previous argument.
Thus You could correct Your sentence by the second value getting to th= at sumti place.
Like "Tom... oh, no: actually Martin won the race!", for exa= mple, in which case You would hop back to x1 by putting a {fa}.
It'd be logical, not?
 
mi'e .xili,odor.

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