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From: Chris Capel <pdf23ds@gmail.com>
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Regardless of all this, in my example ({fe la alis. cukta fa ti la
lu,es. karol}), I wasn't explicitly putting the third sumti into the
second place, but putting it after a first-place sumti. Since it
wasn't tagged, {la lu,es. karol} ends up being in the third place of
{cukta}. This is CLL 9.3.7 and thereabouts. 9.3.9 says that when you
tag multiple sumti with the same FA cmavo, you're really making a
separate claim for each individual combination of sumti. So there's no
overwriting going on.

{fa .abu fa by.
broda
fe cy. fe dy. fe .ebu
fi fy.
fo gy.}

is really making six separate claims, one for each combination of sumti.

Chris Capel

On 8/22/05, la cuncuxnas. <thatskotkid@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't really know whether it overwrites or not.  I like to think of it as
> a sneaky way of saying two things are happening at once, but only because
> that makes dialogue sound a lot better when you're writing in Lojban.  {lu
> coi rodo li'u se cusku la cuncuxnas. fa lu .i mi djica lenu do sidju mi
> li'u} just sounds better to me than having two separate sentences with two
> separate instances of {cusku}.  Come to think of it, how is dialogue usually
> done in Lojban writing?
>  
>  mu'omi'e cuncuxnas.
> 
> On 8/22/05, HeliodoR <exitconsole@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > Something I wonder, though, is what happens in cases like this: {fe la
> > > alis. cukta fa ti la lu,es. carol.}. Does the third sumti fit into the 
> > > third place of cukta, since the second place is already filled earlier
> > > in the sentence? (Of course, to really do this you'd just do {se
> > > cukta}, but I'm sure there are examples where this could be useful. Or
> > > speakers that hate using conversion cmavo.) 
> > 
> >   
> > "{carol.}" is {kerol.}, actually. :) 
> > My humble opinion is, though it might sound silly, that it overwrites (?)
> the previous argument. 
> > Thus You could correct Your sentence by the second value getting to that
> sumti place. 
> > Like "Tom... oh, no: actually Martin won the race!", for example, in which
> case You would hop back to x1 by putting a {fa}. 
> > It'd be logical, not? 
> >   
> > mi'e .xili,odor. 
> 
>  


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