From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Aug 22 13:07:03 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1E7IZS-0002r8-OP for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:07:02 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.195]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E7IZO-0002qp-6t for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:07:02 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 55so1086269wri for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:06:56 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=cEo/p8OOWCenOWwsYZcksXZOMqdGR6TtLPswO37Mr9gdQjcde0C8l9KKsUwp9FRs82EDoDIY+rUVUJ8gl1vSKxPVfZ61fG/jilsdS1aKGnZVFTyT36pluW+If1gYL19d6SNg/u1BQ/iT0bZ7QalFX7FffccvhGFvEDzkzRU72VE= Received: by 10.54.83.5 with SMTP id g5mr1647813wrb; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:06:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.125.8 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:06:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5ccdc75305082213065371e746@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:06:56 -0400 From: "la cuncuxnas." To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: pronounciation problem In-Reply-To: <430A22FA.3070100@handgranat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8528_33020039.1124741216852" References: <430A22FA.3070100@handgranat.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 1827 X-Approved-By: thatskotkid@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: thatskotkid@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_8528_33020039.1124741216852 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I'm fine with 'j', personally. I had a lot of problems with such things as = a=20 kid (I was entirely unable to pronounce "beige" for quite some time), but= =20 some speech classes took care of that. The Lojban pronunciation guides kind= =20 of helped me out with all their talk of voiced and unvoiced sounds; the 'j'= =20 is just like the Lojban 'c', but using your voice. - cuncuxnas. On 8/22/05, Sunnan wrote: >=20 > Everyone I know IRL, especially me (but maybe a dozen or so others), > have problems with the letter 'j'. It either comes out as i (as in > "loiban") or c (as in "locban"). Sometimes it becomes "lodjban" which > isn't acceptable, either. I've been able to say it correctly a few > times, but that's rare. >=20 > Any help? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------=_Part_8528_33020039.1124741216852 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I'm fine with 'j', personally.  I had a lot of problems with such things as a kid (I was entirely unable to pronounce "beige" for q= uite some time), but some speech classes took care of that.  The Lojban pronunciation guides kind of helped me out with all their talk of voiced and unvoiced sounds; the 'j' is just like the Lojban 'c', but using your voice.

 - cuncuxnas.

On 8/22/05, Sunnan <sunnan@handgranat.org> wrote:
Everyone I know IRL, especially me (but maybe a dozen or so others),
hav= e problems with the letter 'j'. It either comes out as i (as in
"lo= iban") or c (as in "locban"). Sometimes it becomes "lod= jban" which
isn't acceptable, either. I've been able to say it correctly a few
t= imes, but that's rare.

Any help?





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