From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Aug 22 13:09:05 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:15:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1E7IbQ-0002tR-LO for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:09:04 -0700 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.204]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E7IbO-0002ry-8b for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:09:04 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x3so760383nze for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:08:23 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dVTONmdLqqyZnZnApGjCQeZZPJZbjYeI/d46Ud/oZ2z0mkbqd4gRGDrmqGvRGoJ/mZ8tJXV+XAvCcUajU5lf0ljSsUwVgW1jZZ33RJNYkqaHYrPl+zCMzYAkch10S05XQIhbNJSQsk+kAcibANf0HZwvUsBWcOJBQENVE60C6Mc= Received: by 10.36.104.1 with SMTP id b1mr4703122nzc; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.36.8 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8f2fd4aa0508221308219e0853@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:08:23 -0700 From: Brandon Wirick To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: pronounciation problem In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 1828 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: brandon.wirick@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Go with "locban," but voice the 'c'. It's like the difference between the second syllables in "pleasure" and "pressure," at least in American English. You're Swedish, right? I'm not familiar with how the English accents sound around there (although I will visit Sweden before I die.) > From: sunnan@handgranat.org > To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org > Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:09:46 +0200 > Subject: [lojban-beginners] pronounciation problem > Everyone I know IRL, especially me (but maybe a dozen or so others), > have problems with the letter 'j'. It either comes out as i (as in > "loiban") or c (as in "locban"). Sometimes it becomes "lodjban" which > isn't acceptable, either. I've been able to say it correctly a few > times, but that's rare. > > Any help?