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From: Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn@gmail.com>
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There is a page on Wikipedia about this sound:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced_postalveolar_fricative
When you click "Sound sample" it will take you to this page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Voiced_postalveolar_fricative.ogg
where there is a sound file of a man saying "ja, aja".
The sound file is in .ogg format which is played by most free and open
source music programs.
-epkat

On 8/22/05, Brandon Wirick <brandon.wirick@gmail.com> wrote:
> Go with "locban," but voice the 'c'. It's like the difference between
> the second syllables in "pleasure" and "pressure," at least in
> American English. You're Swedish, right? I'm not familiar with how the
> English accents sound around there (although I will visit Sweden
> before I die.)
> 
> > From: sunnan@handgranat.org
> > To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org
> > Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:09:46 +0200
> > Subject: [lojban-beginners] pronounciation problem
> > Everyone I know IRL, especially me (but maybe a dozen or so others),
> > have problems with the letter 'j'. It either comes out as i (as in
> > "loiban") or c (as in "locban"). Sometimes it becomes "lodjban" which
> > isn't acceptable, either. I've been able to say it correctly a few
> > times, but that's rare.
> >
> > Any help?
> 
> 
> 
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