From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Aug 23 01:33:57 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 23 Aug 2005 01:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1E7UEG-0004U5-Kh for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 01:33:56 -0700 Received: from mailgw6.gedas.de ([139.1.44.12]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E7UEC-0004Tr-ID for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 01:33:56 -0700 Received: from mailgw6.gedas.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw6.gedas.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7N8Xpit027429 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:33:51 +0200 Received: from blnsem08.de.gedas-grp (blnsem08.gedas.de [139.1.84.54]) by mailgw6.gedas.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7N8XokX027423 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:33:51 +0200 Received: by blnsem08.de.gedas-grp with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:33:50 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Newton, Philip" To: "'lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org'" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: [SPAM Verdacht] - Re: ...to say 'coi' - Ba yesian Filter detected spam Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:33:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 1831 X-Approved-By: Philip.Newton@gedas-onsite.de X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: Philip.Newton@gedas-onsite.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners la .xili,odor. cu cusku di'e > > {lo nu cusku lu coi li'u kei cu te rinsa} - "Saying 'coi' > > is a way of greeting someone". > > > > Without the {cu} or {ku}, there is no bridi, and you have > > one big sumti composed of {le} + a tanru formed from {nu > > cusku lu coi li'u kei} and {te rinsa}. > > Hmm... but why when terminator KEI is there? Can You still > read the whole expression as one abstraction? Not one abstraction, but one selbri -- the selbri is a tanru composed of {nu cusku lu coi li'u kei} and {te rinsa}. You've closed the abstraction, but abstractions can be selbri and can enter into tanru, so you need a bit more if you want to follow with another possible selbri. So, you either need to close the sumti by adding {ku}, or use {cu} (which kind of "automatically" closes a lot of things before it). And, as la .evgenis. pointed out, if you use either of thise, you don't need the {kei} any longer. (But it's not wrong to keep it.) mu'o mi'e .filip.