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Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:21:35 +0100
From: Evgeny Sklyanin <eks2005@gmail.com>
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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: A question about se
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On 8/26/05, Zachary <vyseofarcadia17@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was just reading the section in Lojban for Beginners on conversion
> and the use of se. What puzzles me is not se itself, but the fact
> that both cu and se are placed before the selbri sometimes, but not
> always. For example
> 
> le nu mi klama cu se tcika la daucac.
> 
> Wouldn't the use of se in front of the selbri signify that it is the
> selbri, thus making cu useless? 

No, it wouldn't. If we drop {cu} in the above sentence then  {klama}
and {se tcika} will glue together to form a single selbri (tanru)
{klama se tcika}. Besides, {cu}  terminates the abstraction started by
{nu}. Without it, {la daucac} comes under the scope of {nu}.
Try the two versions (with {cu} amd without) by jbofi'e and see the difference.

mu'o mi'e .evgenis.