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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: A question about se
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la .ZAkyris. cu cusku di'e
> I was just reading the section in Lojban for Beginners on conversion  
> and the use of se. What puzzles me is not se itself, but the fact  
> that both cu and se are placed before the selbri sometimes, but not  
> always. For example
> 
> le nu mi klama cu se tcika la daucac.
> 
> Wouldn't the use of se in front of the selbri signify that it is the  
> selbri, thus making cu useless?

No -- without {cu}, you'd have a tanru {klama se tcika}, composed of seltau
{klama} and tertau {se tcika}.

> Or is se one of those cmavo that can  
> be placed anywhere in a bridi,

No. It has to precde the brivla it modifies -- but it modifies a brivla, not
necessarily a selbri.

mu'o mi'e .filip.