From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Aug 26 01:21:14 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:00:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1E8ZSc-0000SD-8U for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 01:21:14 -0700 Received: from postfix3-1.free.fr ([213.228.0.44]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E8ZSX-0000S3-KC for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 01:21:14 -0700 Received: from localhost (unknown [62.147.23.71]) by postfix3-1.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEAAC1734D6 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:21:07 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:20:44 +0200 From: Jonathan Derque To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: A question about se Message-ID: <20050826082044.GB30443@proguib.apache.home> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.8i Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 1877 X-Approved-By: jkominek@miranda.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: jolapache@free.fr Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Le 25 Aug, à 10:21, Zachary ecrivit : -snip- > > le nu mi klama cu se tcika la daucac. > > Wouldn't the use of se in front of the selbri signify that it is the > selbri, thus making cu useless? Or is se one of those cmavo that can > be placed anywhere in a bridi, thus making cu necessary? -snip- sumti can be as complex as needed (including SE-conversions). If you want to say "the big translated text", you need {se} in your compound sumti : {le barda se fanva} ({le barda fanva} would be "the big translator"). So {se} will never do the job of {cu}. In other words, if {cu} is omitted here, {se tcika} would be considered as a part of the first sumti. mi'e jol -- #include /**** ***/ #define r(o,t) ((c|040)>=o&&(c|040)<=o+014)?c+t: main(void){int c;while((c=getc(stdin))!=EOF){/**/ putchar(r('a',015)(r('n',-015)c));}}/** ebg13 **/