From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Aug 26 10:51:59 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:51:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1E8iMx-0004nD-5X for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:51:59 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.202]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E8iMs-0004n3-SU for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:51:59 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i16so218790wra for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:51:53 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:subject:date:to:x-mailer:from; b=EeNqhRgdFAGAE/psRuJw+UjBUHw3y1D8Fow3TjnwbDFqjm7uAjwnHYawVLLzIuWEFNvF2kMy7YqC5kHS1ap8vcPXjtEyRBt5SBpOT4razdhaR/96wM5EPFe70Kw5uFRjeUlZpOaVeGTHV/F4RoXU1BJEU/Y+WisSJnqwAIdPG1U= Received: by 10.54.118.16 with SMTP id q16mr3669915wrc; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:51:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [67.143.21.246]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 34sm3661222wra.2005.08.26.10.51.48; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:51:52 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-742607122 Message-Id: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: A question about se Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 12:51:35 -0500 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org From: Zachary X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 1880 X-Approved-By: vyseofarcadia17@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: vyseofarcadia17@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners --Apple-Mail-1-742607122 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hmm... I think I get it. It's like {le nabmi mlatu} would be "the problem cat" but {le mlatu se nabmi} would be "the problem encountered by the cat" and {le mlatu nabmi} would be "the cat that is a problem" and {le nabmi se mlatu} would be "the cat of a problematic breed". Or am a still missing something? mi'e ZAkyris. On Aug 26, 2005, at 12:32 PM, Newton, Philip wrote: > la .Zakyris. cu cusku di'e > >> In that case, couldn't you say {le fanva barda} instead of {le barda >> se fanva}? Or am I missing something here? >> > > Yes -- {se} swaps place structures, not tanru components. > > {le fanva barda} would be something like "The translating big > thing" while > {le barda se fanva} would be something like "The big translated text". > > Remember also that (unless I'm mistaken) a tanru has the place > structure of > its last component, so a {fanva barda} is a kind of {barda} but a > {barda se > fanva} is a kind of {se fanva}. > > mu'o mi'e .filip. > > > > --Apple-Mail-1-742607122 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hmm... I think I get it. It's like {le nabmi = mlatu} would be "the problem cat" but {le mlatu se nabmi} would be "the = problem encountered by the cat" and {le mlatu nabmi} would be "the cat = that is a problem" and {le nabmi se mlatu} would be "the cat of a = problematic breed". Or am a still=A0missing = something?

mi'e ZAkyris.
On Aug 26, 2005, = at 12:32 PM, Newton, Philip wrote:

la .Zakyris. cu cusku di'e

In that case, couldn't you say = {le fanva barda} instead of {le barda =A0
se = fanva}? Or am I missing something here?


Yes -- = {se} swaps place structures, not tanru components.

{le = fanva barda} would be something like "The translating big thing" = while
{le barda se fanva} would be = something like "The big translated text".

Remember also = that (unless I'm mistaken) a tanru has the place structure of
its last component, so a {fanva barda} is a kind of = {barda} but a {barda se
fanva} is a = kind of {se fanva}.
mu'o mi'e .filip.





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