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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: A question about se
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Ah, yes! That helps quite a bit! Thank you very much. I think I'm  
finally getting it.

mi'e .ZAkyris.

On Aug 26, 2005, at 1:15 PM, Newton, Philip wrote:

> la .Zakyris. cu cusku di'e
>
>> Hmm... I think I get it. It's like {le nabmi mlatu}
>> would be "the problem cat" but {le mlatu se nabmi}
>> would be "the problem encountered by the cat" and
>> {le mlatu nabmi} would be "the cat that is a problem"
>> and {le nabmi se mlatu} would be "the cat of a
>> problematic breed". Or am a still missing something?
>>
>
> Close! You still seem to have problems with sumti based on a tanru  
> with a
> tertau containing SE.
>
> {le nabmi mlatu} would be "the problem-ish cat", or "the problem cat".
> {le mlatu se nabmi} is a kind of {se nabmi}, so a kind of problem
> encounterer. Perhaps "the cat-ish problem encounterer", or "the cat  
> who
> encountered a problem".
> {le mlatu nabmi} would be "the cat-ish problem", so maybe "the cat  
> that is a
> problem" (but the place structure is that of {nabmi}, not that of  
> {mlatu},
> though there are ways around this, e.g. involving {co})
> {le nabmi se mlatu} would be "the problem-ish breed of cat" -- it's  
> a kind
> of {se mlatu}, so a kind of breed.
>
> If you want a kind of cat, whose breed happens to be problematic, you
> probably want something like {le mlatu be lo nabmi} "the cat with- 
> breed a
> problem", using {be} to link an argument.
>
> Oh, and "the problem encountered by the cat" is a kind of problem,  
> so a kind
> of {nabmi}. If you want to say that it's the kind (x1) of nabmi  
> that has the
> cat as x2, {be} is again what you want -- {le nabmi be le mlatu} or,
> somewhat literally, "the problem with-encounterer the cat".
>
> Does that help any?
>
> mu'o mi'e .filip.
>
>
>
>