From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Aug 27 02:39:49 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 27 Aug 2005 02:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1E8xAA-0004UJ-5R for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 02:39:47 -0700 Received: from mailgw6.gedas.de ([139.1.44.12]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E8xA1-0004U2-Hd for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 02:39:45 -0700 Received: from mailgw6.gedas.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw6.gedas.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7R9dZn7012288 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 11:39:35 +0200 Received: from blnsem08.de.gedas-grp (blnsem08.gedas.de [139.1.84.54]) by mailgw6.gedas.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7R9dZCH012282 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 11:39:35 +0200 Received: by blnsem08.de.gedas-grp with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 11:39:35 +0200 Message-ID: From: "Newton, Philip" To: "'lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org'" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: A question about se Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 11:39:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 1885 X-Approved-By: Philip.Newton@gedas-onsite.de X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: Philip.Newton@gedas-onsite.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners mi pu cusku di'e > {le nabmi mlatu} would be "the problem-ish cat", or "the problem cat". > {le mlatu se nabmi} is a kind of {se nabmi}, so a kind of problem > encounterer. Perhaps "the cat-ish problem encounterer", or > "the cat who encountered a problem". > {le mlatu nabmi} would be "the cat-ish problem", so maybe > "the cat that is a problem" (but the place structure is that > of {nabmi}, not that of {mlatu}, though there are ways around > this, e.g. involving {co}) > {le nabmi se mlatu} would be "the problem-ish breed of cat" > -- it's a kind of {se mlatu}, so a kind of breed. Basically, {le BRIVLA} extracts the x1 of BRIVLA, so if you want to extract the x2 instead, you get {le se BRIVLA}. Modifying BRIVLA or SE BRIVLA with more BRIVLA gives you a tanru, but the whole thing is still a modified BRIVLA/SE BRIVLA. If you want more than one place in the resulting sumti, you need {be} -- for example, "the place I went to from the office" would be {le se klama be mi bei le briju}. mu'o mi'e .filip.