From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Sep 03 13:38:13 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 03 Sep 2005 13:38:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EBemD-0001gY-8I for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 03 Sep 2005 13:38:13 -0700 Received: from ms-smtp-05.texas.rr.com ([24.93.47.44] helo=ms-smtp-05-eri0.texas.rr.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EBem8-0001gR-Uv for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Sat, 03 Sep 2005 13:38:13 -0700 Received: from hypermetrics.com (cpe-66-68-164-156.austin.res.rr.com [66.68.164.156]) by ms-smtp-05-eri0.texas.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j83Kc5B2008773 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 15:38:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <431A09AD.2000202@hypermetrics.com> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 15:38:05 -0500 From: Hal Fulton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4.1) Gecko/20031114 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Newbie Intro References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 1937 X-Approved-By: hal9000@hypermetrics.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: hal9000@hypermetrics.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Naomi K wrote: > coi rodo > > mi'e la nei,omis...and that's as far as I will delve into lojban, before > i make a fool of myself unwittingly ;) I am 15, am from Australia, and > am NOT a geek (*gasp* surprise!)...I consider myself to be a comfortable > black-box user with amateur HTML skills, but no further. Haha... if you're into Lojban, I'm sorry, you're a geek. ;) > I have been > working studiously through the chapters of the beginners' section as > something interesting and fun to fill in my time on weekends and on the > school-bus. And that's about my introduction... Are you referring to the _Lojban for Beginners_ book or the red book or what? > Lojban is a wonderful, many-layered jewel of a language. I'm loving it. > If I have one setback about the language, that is the huge amount of > cmavo that I have to memorise with each chapter; but I love the precise > distinctions that Lojban makes between different conontations of the > same English-equivalent: it gives us dim-witted English-speakers > something more to think about :p That gives me a headache, too. I tried Logflash but it gave me a headache. I plan to write my own someday soon. (Oops, just revealed my true geekhood.) > Did anyone ever attempt to recuit their friends to Lojban? I sure tried, > but they think that I'm wasting my time on it o_0...well, when Lojban > becomes well-known in 50 years time, THAT will show them, alright :p I know better than to try to talk to most of my friends about it. That's one wonderful thing about the Internet, it expands your circle of friends by a factor of ten million. > I wonder when Lojban WILL become widespread. When that day comes, what > will we, the early birds, be known as? The 'first thousand'? Would we > get any special treatment for having studied the language for years > before it came to everyone else in the world? I'd be surprised if anything ever really came of it. After all, Esperanto is well over a hundred years old. It's not Lojban but it is a step forward in terms of usability and such. Today there are a few million speakers of it, but there are also billions who have never even heard of it. To me, the important things about Lojban are that it stretches your mind, it helps you to think logically, and it helps you to understand language in general (even other languages). And it's fun. That's good enough for me. Hal