From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Sep 05 13:13:52 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 05 Sep 2005 13:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1ECNLj-0007bJ-Vw for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 13:13:52 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.194]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1ECNLf-0007bA-Vk for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 13:13:51 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i22so333441wra for ; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 13:13:46 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=WYHayV8WgQGRXuMCUq6p8DGKXdKG8SJyHhQytLPi0bEK4h7k48CjhY16qqvIoKEe4u8biBVDxFmTQRQCWrIehy84QroNo2KX2qUr//bZDNN4DmZZn1NEQR9XheOxWcvrbZKGnUSQ1u/faPflIBk7WhFHpZL3HbCm2um9OObja/Y= Received: by 10.54.117.20 with SMTP id p20mr3880392wrc; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 13:07:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.140.6 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 13:07:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 16:07:06 -0400 From: Matt Arnold To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Two ideas I think are cool... In-Reply-To: <431C8D8B.5050201@hypermetrics.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9190_33545580.1125950826564" References: <431C8D8B.5050201@hypermetrics.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 1971 X-Approved-By: matt.mattarn@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_9190_33545580.1125950826564 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I don't know how many would be interested in this test, but I definitely=20 would. Perhaps it would bring revenue to the LLG or perhaps it wouldn't, bu= t=20 I would be willing to pay the fee for a formal test. -epkat On 9/5/05, Hal Fulton wrote: >=20 > Two ideas: >=20 > 1. For the "snob factor," assign a "number" to each person in the Lojban > community. A lower number indicates old-timer status, a higher one=20 > indicates > newbie status. Register all the lowest numbers (John Cowan et al.)=20 > manually, > then eventually throw it open to "first come, first served." >=20 > This idea is stolen from Tivoli (though it's probably been done=20 > elsewhere). > At that company, it was a playful kind of status symbol: "What, you're=20 > only > employee 325? Ha, beat you, I'm 297." Sometimes it was a little less than > playful, as the lower numbers had more meaning: "See that guy over there? > He's employee number 8." >=20 > 2. A more practical idea: >=20 > A test of Lojban literacy -- like an SAT for Lojban speakers. > - Make it fine-grained, high-resolution. Four-digit score, like SAT or=20 > chess > rankings? > - Separate sections for grammar, vocabulary, reading comprehension, etc.? > - Make most (all?) of it computer-gradeable. > - Possible essay section? Could be computer syntax-checked. Would have to= =20 > be > human-graded for semantics. > - Randomize the question content so you never take the exact same test=20 > twice. > - Let the first test be free. > - Let people take it every six months for a small fee which supports LLG. > - Discount for students, I'd say. Or even free for people < 18. >=20 > A test like this could provide > - an objective indication of your own Lojban knowledge > - incentive to learn more > - playful competitiveness or bragging rights >=20 >=20 > Tell me your thoughts... >=20 >=20 > Hal >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------=_Part_9190_33545580.1125950826564 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I don't know how many would be interested in this test, but I definitely would. Perhaps it would bring revenue to the LLG or perhaps it wouldn't, but I would be willing to pay the fee for a formal test.
-epkat

On 9/5/05, Hal Fulton <hal9000@hypermetrics.com> wrote:
Two ideas:

1. For the "snob factor," assign a "number= " to each person in the Lojban
community. A lower number indicates = old-timer status, a higher one indicates
newbie status. Register all the= lowest numbers (John Cowan et al.) manually,
then eventually throw it open to "first come, first served."<= br>
This idea is stolen from Tivoli (though it's probably been done else= where).
At that company, it was a playful kind of status symbol: "W= hat, you're only
employee 325? Ha, beat you, I'm 297." Sometimes it was a little le= ss than
playful, as the lower numbers had more meaning: "See that g= uy over there?
He's employee number 8."

2. A more practical = idea:

A test of Lojban literacy -- like an SAT for Lojban speakers.
&n= bsp;  -  Make it fine-grained, high-resolution. Four-digit s= core, like SAT or chess
      rankings?   -  Separate sections for grammar, vocabulary, readi= ng comprehension, etc.?
   -  Make most (all?) of it computer-gradeable.   -  Possible essay section? Could be computer syntax= -checked. Would have to be
      human-gra= ded for semantics.
   -  Randomize the question cont= ent so you never take the exact same test twice.
   -  Let the first test be free.
   -=   Let people take it every six months for a small fee which suppo= rts LLG.
   -  Discount for students, I'd say. Or ev= en free for people < 18.

A test like this could provide
   - an objective indication of your own Lojban knowledge
=    - incentive to learn more
   - playful competitiv= eness or bragging rights


Tell me your thoughts...


Hal=





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